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It they can hear the secrets of good apples for everyone. Yeah. What were your what now tell me your favorite apple? Granny Smith. That's fucking nuts, though.
That's so sour. I I think the sour makes it great because unlike Sour Patch Kids, it's not all gummy. It's it's it's it's just good. Wow. I never thought of it like that with the Sour Patch stuff.
I'm gonna try Granny Smith. My favorite is Pink Lady. I really like the Pink Lady, and I I forget what other one I got. I think Gala, g a l a. That's okay.
But the Pink Ladies are what I got. Have you ever heard of those black apples? Yes. I've I've never had one. I was wondering if you'd had one, if you'd heard of them.
Keep trying to find one. When I lived in Washington state, they grow so many apples there. They had hundreds of varieties. So I was trying a new apple each time I bought apples. I was like, oh, try this one.
I'll try this one. It was just a different, like, some were heirloom, you know, from just a small farm there. They're they're not sold all over America. They're just sold in Washington. So if you love apples, you go to Applefest in Washington.
You'll have a hundred different apples there. The black one's probably there. I will certainly have some apples when I go there. Yeah. Right now, I eat I eat a lot.
I eat apples. I eat I eat apples a couple times a day. Maybe once at least once a day, but a couple times a day because I set like I said, telling you, like, low calorie and high fiber. And then I eat oatmeal, and then I eat, plantains and potatoes. Those are, like, staples now in my diet.
Sweet potatoes and potatoes. On the oatmeal? What? Do you put anything in the oatmeal? No.
I if I put something in there, it's like a handful of blueberries. You know, I don't I I seldom put honey in there. If I do, I put some honey in things. But I just stay because I'm trying to lose weight, so I stay away from that. But I do treat myself, once in a while, and I would say, I feel like honey today.
So I put a honey and I if I do that, I'll put Put some brown sugar in it for a real treat. Oh, I love that. You here's what I used to eat as a kid was that oatmeal with brown sugar and butter, and mix that in there. It's fucking so good. Holy fuck.
I know what I'm having for breakfast now. That's great. Yeah. That's oh, that's fucking great. Love that shit.
Love it. But I eat white potatoes now, and everyone was all down on them lately, you know, for a long time. And getting on my you know, watching all these things on TikTok is all weight loss from your health things. And they talk about, like, potatoes are really a lot of nutrients, really good for you, a lot of they'll fill you up. And they do.
I eat a potato, and I'm, like, full for you know, I eat a potato. Like, I'll eat one for lunch, just a potato. And I don't put much on it. I put you know what I do? I put, like, a ranch powder.
Like, there's a seasoning, like, a shake. It's not, like, with oil. You just put a little on there. I'll put some of that on there, some powdered stuff. But yeah.
And, again, a potato with butter is fucking good. Butter, sour cream, chives. Oh, man. Anyway, I don't do all this Funny enough, I've got a half a bag of baked baked potatoes right next to me right now. What do you mean baked potatoes?
Like, just small little baked potatoes. From where? Someone left them at my house. Okay. So they're like so it's not like a bag of potato chips is what I'm saying?
No. Like, actual baked potatoes. So they're like baked potatoes. Are they wrapped in aluminum? No.
They're just homemade baked potatoes in a bag that person brought with them. How many potatoes are there? There it was a bag full. It is now half a bag. Are they small potatoes?
Are they, like, a fist sized? They're yeah. They fit in they fit in your palm. Wow. I'd be eating those fucking things down right now.
I would be, but I'm doing this. Yeah. They're low calorie too. So And they're just good. Yeah.
That's true. I like you like sweet you like, orange potatoes? What do they call it? Yams or sweet potatoes? Sweet potatoes.
I love sweet potatoes. Yeah. I like the purple one. Except they're except I do like to limit myself, and I only have them around, Thanksgiving or Christmas. Why do you limit yourself?
Just because it they're so good. It's kinda like a little indulgence for the season. Okay. Like, if if I didn't, I'd have them too much. And I'd rather not get sick of having big potatoes.
Not big potatoes. Sweet potatoes because sweet potatoes are one of the best things that I've ever eaten. What the fuck? I just tried to look something up. I gotta turn this out.
What the fuck? Oh my god. I just I put this VPN on here to watch those bootleg movies, and now it won't it says I need a username and password to use my browser. Oh, you fucking kidding me, bitch. This is crazy.
Stop it. I wanted to I wanted to look up sweet potato calories versus white potato calories. Yeah. I'll look it up. Thanks.
I can't believe this. How dare and the password won't even come up on its own. Like, I'm auto passwords. Let me just fool them themselves. Oh my god.
I can't use anything on this thing. Oh, you motherfuckers. It looks like sweet potatoes are about 10 less calories. You're kidding me. Yeah.
So per a hundred grams of baked potato of regular white potatoes, it's about a 10. And then a regular baked with the sweet potato, it's just a hundred. Oh, wow. That's crazy. That's crazy time.
I thought I thought I was gonna find it to be more calories, and I was, like, gonna ask if that's why you were not eating them. But you're pretty as I as I see in photos, you're pretty skinny, aren't you? Yeah. You're very petite. I don't mean to call a twink.
Oh, you're a twink? I I get called one. Yeah. Okay. I got that.
Whether I am or not, that's not for me to decide. I don't care. Yeah. There you go. You're right.
Like, artist, that's not for me to decide. I just let other people call me those things. I love it. Yeah. Yeah.
So I I was gonna yeah. Anyway, sweet potatoes are supposed to be very good for you. I like the purple ones, the Japanese ones. I think they're Japanese. Don't call me racist.
There we have it, folks. He's racist. I'm not. Don't don't say that. I'm I'm I'm not no.
I can't say that. Everyone is racist, but I am not prejudiced. But I have said and done things that are racist. That's true. But I'm thinking Or yeah.
I'm thinking. I mean, I'm not gonna get into that because it's on recording, and that's been beaten to death enough. Yeah. Yeah. That thank you.
I had a whole book on that. Yeah. So, anyway, Dana Plato. Oh, goodness. Yeah.
Dana Plato. No no one knows who she is. Well, yeah. I was I was just I was in the car with someone, and I was talking to him. I was like, yeah.
So Dana Plato is what I think to be a really good example as a victim of commodity of this whole commodification of the human experience. And then I was like, oh, let me listen to this one podcast you did on the subject that I listened you listen to all the others. And then it was like, well, yeah, Dana Pluto seems like the perfect, like, one of the perfect people to point to as some as how humans have are commodified. Yeah. She's she's certainly, a, a great illustration of it, like, seems to have taught people how to hide that more in Hollywood, especially, like, the the that those days of the obvious exploitation of actresses and act I should just, I mean, actors, and having them thrown to the curb.
Her death really was the tipping point for that, where people, you know, like, before that it happened all the time in Hollywood, and it got less and less as things got more transparent. And I remember her costar Gary Coleman had the whole same problem. He had a he he was married to an awful person that pushed him down the stairs, killed him. And so those those things happened. But Dana, when when her things happened, it really shook it shook people.
And I it's I I I I'm gonna fuck it. I definitely made sure it shook people when I put out Dana Plato's last breath and all that shit. I made sure that her death wasn't just pushed aside, like, oh, it's a so sad thing. I go, no. It's a ugly thing.
It's fucking rotten. And I put the ugly out there, not the sad shit. And, and I promoted it, and I think that's why it was a tipping point is because I exploited it like I did when I exploited it to show people the ugly. You know? It's not you know?
I I get accused of exploiting it just because she's dead, but that whole thing made me sad. I really I me and Dana were good friend. We became good friends. And Well, yeah. You were on queen queen Latifa, and you said that exact sort of thing, and she huffed off.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just sad.
It is sad. You know? And in general, like, I I probably wouldn't talk to anyone else about this stuff anymore. I don't like I don't really I don't I don't care to talk about my past anymore. I've said it said enough about it.
But with you, you know, I we have a good friendship. I think something original might come in the conversation. Where you're going with it is something different. But it is it's it's it's upsetting. It was upsetting when it happened, and then then then you gotta think about the reverberation, their son kills himself a handful of years after his mom's death on mother's day on the day she died.
You know, he killed himself on the day she died. So that's an ugly, ugly situation, really sad one. And I remember, you know, that that whole thing, you know, it's just awful. Awful. Because I guess, you know, death becomes really special or awful or you feel it when you know a person or you get to know someone.
You know? And most people Dana Plato's death, it's, I believe, the people who consume her death, they're the ones exploiting it. I cared, and I I really I love Dana. I I I we had a we had a good friendship going, and I really cared for her. And so I don't think I could exploit it because of that.
I I was just expressing myself. But people that are into it buying tabloids, reading into the deaths, I've done that myself. Oh, look at this person died. Let me read about their weird story. I think that's more of you're exploiting that for your own to make yourself feel good.
Like, oh, they're dead. I'm alive. Whatever whatever psychology goes into that, that's the that's I think that's the more the consumer's the exploiter more than the producer, I think a lot of times. You know, people blame people that produce pornography for being exploitive. But who's who's funding that?
It's the consumer. Who's really exploiting it? And the consumer gets away with it because they're consuming, because they're paying for it. So they're like, we're we're innocent. We bought it at I went to Target and bought this, so I'm innocent.
Even though they're the ones actually fueling the fire, cash fuels the exploit the the the fire for that stuff. So it's like anyway, I digress or maybe I progress. I'm not sure. No. That that falls in line with it perfectly because, well, what's one of the biggest platforms for porn, OnlyFans, and what does that really do?
I think it just commodifies human instinct and experiences. Yeah. And loneliness and all that weird shit. It's wild to watch, you know, as an older person, you know, I I get sucked into thirst traps, I noticed, like, I never had before. And it, you know, it's like, I'm like and it's not just because maybe I'm thirsty or not.
It doesn't matter. I'm I'm I'm I get sucked into it. I'm like watching this. I don't subscribe to any OnlyFans stuff, but I definitely look at how the how the women sell themselves on TikTok and other things, the original ways they do to get around sensors. Like, Costco hoe.
Costco hoe. I I'm just watching her because she was funny. I'm like, this is funny. This is hilarious. She's hilarious.
What's going on with this Costco hoe? And then one time I look on her thing and I click the link, and I'm like, holy moly. You know? I mean, man, she's a pornographer. She's porn.
And it's and then it became extremely hot. Like, it was like, it went from this woman is just sexy and funny at Costco making fun of Costco things, and I don't know how I'm watching this, but I am, to wow. You know, they're they're they're they're presenting everything they do, you know, and it it in a sexual way, like, everything. And I was like, holy moly. I know I'm saying holy moly.
Like, I'm so innocent, but I almost subscribed to OnlyFans, though. There's a couple times I'm like, I gotta see more. And and that's why I become exploitive. That's what I'm saying. But at least people are exploiting themselves now.
Like, that young lady runs her own her own brand. And I well, she's probably taking care of a boyfriend, like, always always strippers and and sex workers are always taking care of someone. Curious how much of it is that or how much of it is just kinda similar to the Edward Bernays cigarette campaign thing. What do you what do you mean? Well, you know, OnlyFans is typically sold, you know, with this whole idea.
It so with the cigarettes, it was sold to as this idea of empowering liberty. You know, you're that whole sort of thing, you know, just to smoke a cigarette, which on some level it is, but then on another level, it's like, well, you're just you're you're taking advantage of, you know, something people want and giving them a thing that literally kills you. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It is. I guess there is that that Bernays psychology is everywhere. He's really changed the DNA of human beings. The greatest black magician ever, Edward Bernays.
That's what I say. I I I can't really argue with it. Yeah. What he did was incredible, and he was just a short guy in a in a in a apartment in New York with his wife making magic. And didn't no one knew who he was when he'd walked the streets.
No one cared who he was. He was totally invisible. And yet he's he's making the entire populous. I shouldn't say that, but, a, I would say 70% of the population of the globe moving to his will. I was like, he you know, I've I've fell in love with Bernays thirty years ago.
And to say I fell in love with him doesn't mean I fall in love with manipulation like that, but I do, and I don't. It's just the way it is. It's it's interesting. I mean, I wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for him. Right.
Right. So I that stuff's all interesting to me. I don't I wouldn't you know, I I can I I have my magic powers, and I choose to use them for different things? I wouldn't I wouldn't go into the work that Bernays, did, but I respect his power, his magic. I think it's incredible.
But I I choose to use my influence and other things in a different different way. But that doesn't mean I I can't study other people and respect their power or what they've accomplished. You know? And, hell, I I mean, I can't I grew out of that stuff. I mean, most of my life, I'm I'm I'm I I started a fucking soda company, so I'm definitely looking to I don't give a fuck about human beings.
I'll sell them sugar water. You know, I just need to make my money. You know, I've been there, but I'm not there now. I would say I'm probably I'm definitely more of a communist or a socialist, for sure, Which is probably weird for people. What do you mean?
In in the sense of how the globe should work, we should share things. Workers should own the, you know, workers should own the means of production. You know, shit like that. People who do the work should make the money, not the people who are in the middle. Landlords are gross, and, you know, I think housing and food and education are human rights.
I didn't ask to be here, but I certainly should have the tools to survive and be the person I wanna be. If I wanna be a loser, I should still have a house over I should have a roof over my head, just not a mansion. I should eat because I, you know, was born, and I have the right to the resources of this globe. The trees are mine. The sky is we all all all of us like, I'm talking about this new witch the witch's Sabbath we're about to do.
Part of the concept I have in that my idea is everyone owns the sky. And there so there there really are no borders. We all own the ground. We all own the sky. These borders are made up based like, you could say might is right or manipulation.
You know, this is our state, but they're they're just fake. We are you know, we so when you're born, you have the right to have fish. You should be able to have the right to go fish or pick an apple because you're an animal. All animals are able to do that except for us, the human beings. All animals eat what's around them and survive.
And so I'm a communist in the common the the logic of the common sense of it all. Like, that's just how it goes, and if I wanna have a safe environment, if I don't want crime, then I want educated people. I want an educated populace. And if I have crime, I wanna be able to hang the person and say, listen, you had every resource. You had a roof, you had food, you had access to education, you had access to health care, and still you chose this path.
You are done. I can make a real even you know, justice is a little easier that way than going, well, this person was starving, So of course, they stole the food. This person was not educated, so they didn't know. You know, there's all these reasons we can give people and they're legitimate reasons. And I think, you know, offering up these tools of survival, like having an education is a tool of survival, and who's exploited in America?
Poor people who don't have an education, and who exploits them? People who have an education. So I see, you know, when people talk about eat the rich, well, that means eat the doctors, eat the lawyers, eat the lib eat eat anyone with a college education. Because if you got a college education, you fed into the financial supremacy that most of the world is under. And I don't see things as white supremacy or any of these.
I see it you it there's a standard of financial supremacy, and that's what they teach you early on in school. You you know, you you wanna succeed, you wanna get to college, you wanna figure out how to get to college, you wanna figure out how to get these degrees because these degrees will offer you money, and that money will offer you freedom. And so, for all these generations, people have used education to be free, but they've never freed their their fellow man. So fuck them. If I were to put heads on pikes, it's everyone.
Everyone that's rich, everyone that has money. I don't give a fuck if you're my friend and you brought my artwork with your money. I want your head on a pike too, because you took the education that I didn't get. And a lot of people are able to fuck with me because I don't have a proper education, even though I'm I'm really smart person, you know, and I'm well read. I I have a very broad education, and most educated people are fucking stupid at most everything else in the world except, oh, I'm a great accountant.
I know how to count beans. But what is this? I don't know what that is. They're they're fucking they're they're dumb as a fucking rock in most areas except what they were forced to learn in a very small way. So they're very they have a focused limited education and limited reference points.
They can reference very small things, and it always blows my mind, oh, that's like that's like this person. That's like this person. I'm like, though, I always think in my head that's your limited reference. Because it's like everything I'm anyway, I'm going off here. I'm see, grandpa's getting upset.
I need an apple. Well I'm drinking milk. Makes sense because well, you know, it's like I was working some months ago, and I was like, I'm making people pay for fucking water. Yeah. That that water, the most the the largest body of mass on Earth, and we have to pay for it.
That that doesn't seem right. Yeah. Check this out, Claudia. I was I lived in a world before bottled water. I remember I was like 13 or 14 when bottled water first came into a gas station that I used to ride my bike to, and there was a water fountain in there that you press the button and water would come out of it.
And I'd ride my bike around it. I knew riding my bike, and I rode my bike for 20 different miles every day, I'd ride everywhere. I was riding my bike just every fucking place. And I knew that I had a human right to walk in that gas station and use their water fountain, because that was our right, and you had a right to use the bathroom. That was part of the deal as a human being.
And so I could go in that I remember going to this gas station, using their water, drinking their water, and I remember the, you know, the clerk would say something smarty to me once in a while. Maybe, You're gonna buy something? You're gonna, you know because cause I'm hanging out there with other guys riding other young people riding bikes, and, we're getting our water. And I say, hey, fuck you. And he goes, oh, he said some shit.
I go, hey, it's not it's not illegal to swear. You can't do anything to me. You know, I was a real smart ass. So I remember that moment, but I remember also that in that within those that those moments that they started putting bottled water in the refrigerator and everyone was looking at it like, what the fuck? And saying, basically like, you would who would buy water?
And we were literate I remember adults saying that and and I, you know, thinking of the same thing like, yeah. Who would buy water? That's weird. We have these water fountains. But then, five years after those bottled waters came in, water fountains started to disappear because gas stations took them out to force you to buy water.
You know, if you had free water at that gas station, people prop might not well, at this point, they buy water because they think it's special coming out of a bottle. Anyway yeah. It the you know? And it's awful. I hate to I I I like I like a lot of the now, but the past human beings were treated better.
And I wouldn't say all human beings because, of course, people of color and and people of a different sexual persuasion of than heterosexual were treated awfully. They were murdered. But but there was a a standard that everyone the people that were marginalized were fighting to live up to, and it was a standard that I saw, which was having access to water, having, when you got a job, you automatically had insurance and you didn't have to pay for it, the employer did. Shit like that. You know?
But, yeah, that bottled water thing is it's a great insight you have there because it it was the same thing people were saying when it was first introduced. Like, who why would this happen? What's this is weird. Yeah. It's like, I talked with my manager, and he's like, it's only $2.
I'm like, yes. $2 for fucking water. Does does that not seem a little weird? Ask ask your manager if he has to pay to see his mom. Ask your manager if he has to sit pay to see whoever he loves in his life because water is him.
Water is his family. He's 70 percent water. The fuck is dude talking about? Like, that's you, dude, in a bottle. Like, the best thing I ever saw, the product I saw that was hilarious to me, I used to always talk about this, like, it's raining down people, you know, because and and liquid death is hilarious because that's the truth.
This is us in a bottle. This is what basically what we are. In a in a lot well, we are, you know, a lot of things that make us conscious, but without water, we're dead. Oh, liquid death is one of those that really took advantage of that. Yeah.
And they were almost like a mock. They mock things. They put it in a beer can, like a big 40 ounce or beer can or whatever, and called it liquid death. And I thought it was hilarious. I never thought that would go anywhere when it first popped, but it's it's a big deal now.
And it's hilarious to me how they did it. They just mock the whole thing. Like, yeah. I think, you know, it's like not having access to water is like not having access to your family. Water is your family.
Water, you you're 50% mom and 50% dad, but you're 70% water. It's more of your family than your family. And think about that with the white supremacists or anyone else that hates a different race. You are that. You were once that that you we were all that water that evaporates, rains down.
And before that, just stardust. Yeah. We're yeah. Right. Stardust that you we're race mixing within the water system.
I mean, could go even further and say we're planning it mixing because we're made of that stuff. Yeah. Right. Exactly. I think I wrote somewhere I somewhere I I would always talk.
I think I've written this. I don't know. Hopefully, I did. I swear I did. But I always think that we're we were just we're just like this, you know, our our who the spirit of us, whatever you wanna call it, the soul of man or humans.
We're just this this bacteria that is is captured in ice and floats around the universe and lands on different planets and destroys them. You know, we grow, we destroy it, you know, but but the the water remains and the bacteria or the whatever it is we grow from, whatever Nietzsche saw, whoever Darwin, I mean. It's like this where that bacteria in the water that but we get captured in ice, and once this planet's destroyed, well, the ice chunks will break off and float through the universe and and pollute some other planet. And we're forever alive in that ice and that bacteria. We're forever there.
I know it goes like that. What? If the planet goes like that, I think our planet's supposed to be engulfed by the sun a couple billion years. I don't think the ice is gonna make it anywhere from there. But we no.
No. Of course, it would because the ice will will evaporate. When heat hits water, it boils. It would evaporate and turn into ice once it hits the universe. That's true.
So I mean, I guess you're thinking about a iceberg, but I you could be thinking about small specks of, snow or things that are so small that you can't see them, but are still water. You know? I think that's what but but I I guess someone could tell me how water doesn't exist in space, but I it does because we're we can prove that. We're we're in space and we have water here. It's gotta go somewhere.
You've seen the comet trails? I'd what is that? The comet trails of, like, all the ice and the rocks and stuff that just melt off of them when they're in the sun. I didn't know that's what was happening. Yeah.
There you go. The trails of comets are. It's just a bunch of ice, rock, all sorts of stuff flying off of it as it gets heated up close as it gets closer to the sun in its orbit. Yeah. So that's what I'm talking about.
I I'm not saying we leave you know, when I say ice chunks, we form into ice chunks. You know, it's sort of just me painting illustrative, but we missed like you're saying, the sun will burn up the earth, we'll mist off the this the water will mist or, you know, steam and and and go somewhere else. Collect somewhere else. Who knows? Maybe that'll make another group of humans.
I'd like to think it would. I'd like to think it would. What? Probably already has. Yeah.
That's what I'd like to think. I'd like to think we're forever. Like, I mean, forever. But then when I see the Carl Sagan pale blue dot, I'm like, man, what the fuck? Is that a psyop?
Because it makes me feel like nothing. Well, it is nothing, but at the same time, you're made up of all the same things that everything else in that picture is. Yeah. It's cool. It's weird.
It's sort of like I lived on a beach for a handful of years, and I'd go walk the dog and look out at the sea, and you really feel small. Like, like, man, you know, there was no one on the beach at this that was Long Beach Peninsula in Washington. And, you know, tourist season, there's people there on the weekends. And but the winter, there's no one there, and it's not snowing. And and a lot lot of days in the summer, there's no one there because it's just this weird beach.
And so so to be on a beach and look left and right and see no one and just see sea and see sea in front of me, it makes you feel really small. It did made me feel really small. I'm like, man, we are really nothing. As a youngster, I felt really big. And growing up in Chicago, I felt like I was big as the buildings.
Gave me a false sense of belonging or being. I like the idea of being nothing. It takes the pressure off. Yeah. I mean, in a sense, it is nothing because everyone dies and it the sun engulfs the Earth, and I don't think humans are probably gonna make it off the Earth into some sort of interplanetary species.
So, yeah, it really is nothing. Yeah. Well, we're all gonna die. And and you do you you're forgotten at some point. You know, like what I said about influence never dies, but it is always forgotten.
And and so it's like, getting to a certain age, like, I worried about my legacy. I worried about all this stuff for a long time, what I was working towards, my reputation, all this stuff. And at some point, I was like, you know, it it really doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. I'm gonna be forgotten.
You know, even if I were remembered for a hundred years after my death, that's that's not enough for me. I wanna be remembered for ten thousand years, hundred thousand years, but that's probably never gonna happen. And I won't be here to talk about Aleister Crowley a hundred years later, so, you know, I don't know. But it will never happen for me because I won't be here alive to see it. So even if I were to even if the memory of me survives hundreds of years, I won't know.
It doesn't matter to me. It matters more to everyone else and less to me. So, really, what did I accomplish by that? Nothing for me. I've done a lot, and I've I have influence, and I know my name will survive after my death.
So I'm satisfied with that, but why? Why am I satisfied with that? It doesn't nourish me. It doesn't pay my bills. It's like this weird thing about the ego, and that's where, you know, when you have some sort of ego death, you start realizing those things like, what was I building there?
Why did it matter? I mean, in my life, I did things to have fun. And so my life has been really fun, you know, doing the stuff I've done, doing it being an artist versus being a plumber or doing anything the mo my family comes from. You know, I've had a great life. But part of my mind was always like, I needed to have this legacy.
I need to have these memories. And I I deserve that because I've done a lot of work. So I deserve my credit where credit's due and stuff like that. But, you know, how can I like, even saying that, how can a dead person deserve it? I guess they can.
You know, you wanna give I give respect to dead people, but they don't get it. They don't they don't ever hear you know, they don't hear it, and they're, you know, they're not hearing it. They're dead. As far as we know, they're not hearing it. Yeah.
You're right. You got that. I gotta say that. I'm a I gotta I got I definitely am an agnostic in the Carl Sagan sense of the word. Like, I don't know what the hell's going on.
All I know is I'd love to be a ghost and mess with people. Oh, yeah. That's what I want. If I ever if I if I had the money, I would get my own tombstone just like Colonel Sanders did. He had his own tombstone engraved before he died, and he'd go to visit it.
And I would on the back of my grave, it will say, I'll get my revenge from beyond the grave just to spook people. And I swear to you motherfuckers, if any enemies ever hear this, I'm if if there's a ghost, you're gonna know about it. My enemies will know. You know, I'm a lover too. My the people I love will know too, but they'll know and I they'll be like, why do my nipples feel good right now?
They feel like someone's particularly my nipples. It'll be me. But my enemies, they they can have it rough. I don't know. I think you might wanna do that to your enemies because then it'll confuse them and make them really uncomfortable.
No. No. No. No. No.
No. I'm gonna be putting you know, I'm gonna make sure they have anal fissures or something. You know? I'm not gonna be nice. And I'll have my whole cast pull them into a a false sense of security with the first part, and then they wake up in the morning, all of a sudden they have a whole bunch of anal fissures.
Yeah. But I can't do I can't touch the nipples unless I like them. I just it doesn't work for me. I can't do it. For something really, it just repels me.
I couldn't even do it as a matter of work. Or maybe I could. I could be a whore. But And there's the commodification. I know.
I'm gonna go It's only because of rent. It's only because rent is due. I'm not taking on those I'm not taking what was that? There there's rent when you're ghost? I'm talking now the commodification when I say that.
I could be a whore. I could be a whore now. And I say that because rent is due. You know? Like, it's just that's the funny part about it.
I don't tickle nipples because I like to. I tickle nipples because right everyone's tickling nipples because they like to. And their aunt is due. Right. I I I love to hear from a sex worker that says they don't like their gig.
I know they don't sometimes, but it's it's it's a better gig than washing dishes. Most likely. Yeah. Well, it is. I mean, you gotta think about working at Subway sandwich shop for $200 a week or working two hours for $500.
You know? You have more life. You have more opportunities. And and so it it's it's an indictment of our society and the awful jobs and the awful pay we get more than it is that they would if we had a communist kind of situation or a situation where you didn't have to pay rent, I I think it it might be, different. Maybe.
Who knows? Not sure because even in places like the Soviet Union, and there was still prostitution. Oh, I didn't say there wasn't prostitution. I worked in a foreign. Believe me.
The girls from Russia and Poland is who we flew in because they would do anything. But the girls from Poland and Russia were easy to work with because they were fed, and they did have a house over their head. So they were easy to work with, and they were like, yeah. That sounds fun. Let me let me tell you.
Like, then they'll be like, here. Yeah. I can't always pee on this guy. But what I can do, the trick is I pour water down my back, and it looks like I pee. See, they had more fun with it.
They didn't go they didn't say, like, the American actress would be like, oh, that's fucking gross. Fuck that guy. Because they gotta do it for rent. The Polish girls and and and, the Russian girls, they they were it was a it was a different thing for them. You know, I don't know if anyone enjoys having to go to work or having to get paid.
Everyone would like to probably not have to do things and do what they want, which would be even the bet better it would be best. Woah. With AI, everyone talks. I hear people, what would we do If we don't work, I'm like, man, you are fucked. You're mentally ill in the head.
What we do? You mean, whatever we want? Do do you have not you you certainly have wants when you go to Target or grocery store or or Walmart. You have wants there. You don't have any other wants in your life?
Like, whatever you want. Like, I they're like, what would you do? I'd go out and read books a lot, a lot more. I'd do a lot more reading. I'd be making a lot more artwork.
Maybe I'd innovate things to the point that there'd be a new I bet you there'd be a lot more inventions. There'd be a lot more fun for everyone. I'm sure there'd be a lot less conflict between people. Yeah. I think there would be, and I think we'd live a lot longer.
We wouldn't have a lot of stress in our life. Well, I mean, those blue zones, if you look at them, where people live really long, they they don't have much of a commodified life. They they just live happily. Like, they just like, I was you know, I was watching this documentary on one once, and it was interviewing this hundred and seven year old, and he's like, yeah. I go I walk to this, little tavern every morning, get a glass of wine, go walk around the city, see cool places, get another glass of wine, go home, and go to sleep.
Like, he's a hundred and seven in doing that. I can't imagine anyone in their sixties doing that in America because they're commodified here, and in the blue zone, they're just living. What's the blue zone? Blue zones are areas of the world where people tend to live a lot longer and healthier than the rest of the world. Where they serve kombucha and, and, what's the cabbage?
Kimchi. Yeah. Those ones. Because they say kimchi and kombucha help you live long. Did you know this?
I did not know that. Yeah. They went and how they did the kombucha when they went and studied this this area in Russia where people were living to, like, a long 810. Let's say everyone there lived a 10. I might be exaggerating.
But they were, like, trying to figure out what the the the why they were living so long. And every place they went to, people would offer them a glass of kombucha. And they're like, everyone here drinks kombucha, and they finally figured out that must be the that must be the reason because they were dedicated to drinking this probiotic, this kombucha. And I used to make my own kombucha. I used to drink that regularly.
I, you know, have to start doing that again. It does make me wonder how something so simple as that can help you live longer. And then in conjunction with, like, a lot of old stories about people living for a really, really long time, it's like, you know, with such a simple way of living and living for such a long time, that seems to make sense. What? The kombucha?
Yeah. Just something as simple as, you know, eating something or drinking something. But You're right. Like, the Mediterranean diet. Fish, vegetables, stuff like that, they say is a Yeah.
Seems that way to me. I I when I eat that stuff, I feel a lot better than when I eat a Chicago diet, which is really bad, salty, fatty, but very good, very tasty. Tomorrow is the Polish donut day, put patch gear potach I don't know how to say it, but it says Polish donut day. And and I'm not even gonna bring that. I should I'm not gonna bring this up.
But, tomorrow's the day. And no no matter what anyone says, no matter what if they say it was celebrated on a different day in Poland, they're so full of fucking shit. This is the day, and and that I know that from living around Polish people from Poland my whole fucking life and being part Polish. Like, Chicago's full of Polish people, and they speak Polish, and they're from Poland. They're not just, like, saying it.
And when you we have Polish delis here where they barely speak any fucking English. K? Chicago is a very unique place. It's like the entire world stuck in this city, like New York. And and so to tomorrow's the day, and they'd they'd go all out on these fucking donuts.
It's crazy time. Now everyone in Chicago and, like, they have so many flavors of these donuts, and I'm like, I'm not eating any sugar. I sure as fuck wanna go get donuts tomorrow. Fuck. I don't even know why I'm talking about that now.
I don't know, but you got me craving donuts. So Yeah. Well, the patch keys are great because they're fresh made and never that. But it doesn't matter. The fat boy in me never never he's never dying.
I gotta talk to the inner child, and it's this fat boy that always wants fucking pizza and fucking donuts, and I'm it kills me. So I'm like, just eat your salad. Shut up. I'm enjoying a Coke Zero right now because that's what I get for sweet stuff. And also because Doctor Pepper.
Well, yeah. You know, I need to get Doctor Pepper's for when I go outside of the house. I live in a Hispanic neighborhood. Everyone's boycotting Coca Cola, and I got these I got five cases of Coca Cola for $10, which is a crazy price. Like, you know, $2 for 24 Cokes.
But I bought them because I love Coke Zeros. At you know, when I'm feeling like a sugar rush, I want something no calories. And Coke Zero does it for me. But I can't leave the house drinking them because I don't want people to see me drinking the boycotted soda because I agree with their boycott. What what's it being boycotted for?
I'm curious. A Coca Cola plant in Texas, called immigration on their illegals or whatever you want. You know, the I don't wanna call them illegals, but the Hispanics that were working there illegally because Coke hired them illegally. You know, it wasn't their fault. And so I I I don't really like how Trump is deal you know, I don't I don't like anyone being deported like that.
You know, I I don't I don't appreciate that stuff. I don't like when families are broken up and stuff like that. People have a hard enough time. Working class people have a hard enough time. And fact of the matter is, Hispanics, this is was their country before ours, so we should respect that.
And fact of the matter is, they pick all of our fucking food. We wouldn't be eating without Hispanics, and they they grow all of our food. And and so their and their culture's hundreds of thousands of years old versus ours are hundreds of years old. So it's like we should respect that wisdom, all of those kind of great things. The same with the Native Americans.
We come here and kill them off without stealing their knowledge, without understanding all this great stuff they knew. You know, we it's almost like how people hunt deers. They kill deers not for food, but for antlers, for for a trophy because the deer's free, and they're not. So I think it's that reason that they kill deers, And I think it's the same reason they kill off Native Americans or Hispanics. They wanna chase Hispanics out.
There's a jealousy. There's animosity. If they kill them off, then there's no if they kill them off, there's no way to challenge the commodification of them Right. With stuff like Thanksgiving. And, I mean, you know, all those old pictures of, like, Native American tribes?
You know what's interesting about those? They were taken by one guy going around the country, and he gave them stuff to wear. What they were wearing wasn't exactly wasn't even, like, given tribes. It could have been, you know, an enemy tribe, but they were forced to wear it for the photoshoots. Really?
I never knew that. Yeah. It's it's it's a really interesting piece of history that, I no one really seems to know. I only learned it in a photography class, and it was like, that makes so much sense because all these different tribes are wearing the exact same things in these pictures. It starts to make more sense.
And and then if you look at, like, what's sold at, like, a costume store, it's it's exactly that. It's just a commodification of something that's not even the reality of something. Wow. I did not know that. Well, you're getting better history classes than me.
Our history lessons were really bad. That's really great. That's great to know. Thanks. I really appreciate knowing that.
Wow. I'm gonna have to look into that more. Did not know that. But I do know that their cultures are really old, and they have a lot of wisdom, and I do know the Hispanic neighborhoods in Chicago are very colorful. They have art everywhere.
Every fucking where do they have artwork? And they appreciate artwork, and they talk they treat artists with respect. They're musicians, you'll hear music playing, live you know, people playing music. They they they enjoy life. They they have I live in a Hispanic neighborhood now.
They have barbecues, they have family over, they they really work hard and play hard. I am just enamored by these folks. And and so it's like, what what is our problem? What is what is my culture's problem? What is the American white person's problem with that?
The poor working class white person is what I'm saying. Like, why why is there any animosity from that? Why aren't we learning from that? Why aren't we why aren't we having more more artwork, more colorful, neighborhoods, or more colorful conversations? You know, it's it but we have an animosity for it.
And it's really weird to me. You know? Well, with that history, there's also the whole thing of, you know, there was a lot of intentional divide between people like that and stuff in history. Right. Yeah.
I don't know. I just I guess I'm asking because it's, like, how can you not, like, how can you not observe that? Just take time to look into what you wanna hate or whatever and then observe it and go, wow. There's a lot of cool stuff here. You know?
That's what I've done in my life. That's why I don't understand how other people can't do that. But I remember when I was younger, in my mid twenties, I was doing these things for these older guys. The counterculture people like White Panthers, all this shit. And I was helping with the gallery once, and this guy was like, Shane, you can't expect everyone to be as smart as you or to have the same thoughts as you because I was getting so angry at people because they didn't look look at things the way I did.
They couldn't see beyond what they were saying. They were only saying things that they heard on the radio or TV and regurgitating it. Now there was no thought to it. And so I'd get so fucking angry with people, and dude's like, you know, you're gonna have no friends. You you you can't you can't hate on everyone because you're you're like a you're like a different you're way different, and there's not a lot of people like you.
And, and I realized that's true. You know, I'm not even trying to be bragging, but but it is true. There's only there's not a lot of artists out there. There's not a lot of intellectuals. There's not a lot of thinkers out there.
And when you run into them, it's really special, really fucking special. And I savor like, I talk Anil. You're you're you're you're an intellectual. You're you're and you're young. You're you're you're getting there, but you I learned stuff from you, like, just, you know, just now.
And so it's rare. You it's rare you find someone anyone that's an intellectual or an artist that is real, like, really is is able to question themselves, is able to say I don't know, or able to say I was wrong about that. It's just rare. Real rare. And as you get older, it gets less and less.
Well, it just ties into the whole idea of fear and consumption because everybody fears because a lot of people have this ingrained fear of it's either this way or it's that way. And if it's not this way and it's that way, then that way is inherently destructive and terrible and bad. You know? If if I if if you don't buy this, it's bad. If you do buy this, you're great.
If you follow this, you're amazing. If you don't, you're a horrible human being. Yeah. Yeah. Later talks about it a lot.
Pillator talks about it a lot. It's like, what is subculture and stuff. Who talks about that? Pill eater. Pill eater talks about that a lot.
Fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. I talk about it a lot. What the fuck you talking about counterculture? I'm the king of counterculture.
Give me fucking pill eater talks about Oh, not just counterculture. I mean, just the whole, like, subculture being bought and sold to people, like, you know, even with the Johnny Gilbert person I was telling you about, that's, you know, that that a lot of that is just another thing that sold to people at this point, because I mean, the whole idea of emo had its height in two- in I'd say with the Black Parade. Now everything is just, oh, you want this? Pay 50 no. I'd say an entire outfit for that would be about, I I'd say a hundred $20.
Whereas then, it would have only been about maybe 15 plus a little extra or some hair dye, maybe. What are you talking about then? You mean twenty, thirty years ago? Yeah. What are you talking about?
Goths? Just yeah. Sort of the whole goth thing. Okay. Becoming, like oh, now it's like the whole idea of artists selling kits to help people.
Oh, I see. You know, you're you're not you're not you're not you're you're you're trying to get in something by paying into it. The original moment right. The original moment of goth or emo or black metal is amongst 16 people. Like, influence is small.
Look at Christ and his table of people, his apostles. There was very few. They influenced all of this other shit. Black metal, there was only a few people sitting there, and they influenced all this stuff. Anton LaVey and the church saint, there was only a handful of people there.
So it starts with two or three or ten, five people, and it can have an influence for thousands of years. But what that influence does, like, is Christianity branches off into insanity, and not that Christianity isn't insanity, I think it is, but probably somewhere when it started, it was the intent was pure. There was something else going on there, and it's been bastardized. Now when I was younger, metalheads were poor working class people. And Goths, we couldn't fit in with Goths because Goths had money to pay for boots and different clothing, eyeliner.
Even if that stuff was cheaper than it is today, it was still out of reach for us, and we didn't look like them. We we couldn't look like them because they had fashion. They had they had a different they had stuff you had to buy, and metalheads were going there in a t shirt and blue jeans ripped up, you know, different culture. And so I never I never and I know a lot of people would start with heavy metal, and then they'd say they grew out of it and go into goth or whatever you might call emo today. The emo is very similar to what the goth movement was.
And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get into the argument of the differences. They're pretty similar. They are. Aren't they? Yeah.
They're they're similar, but there's a whole streak of thing on the Internet where if you conflate the two, people throw a piss fit. Well, yeah. I would too. I would too. I would too if people are conflating black metal with death metal.
I believe, like, there's nothing they're nothing alike. But I can see when people say that there is something alike. They're extreme. They're loud. They're heavy.
But I get what they're saying. You know? I'm not but I'm not in that group, so I don't know the nuances of emo or or goth. And when I hear them, they sound similar unless it's screamo. Screamo sounds different than emo.
Yeah. But it's like, you know, I don't I don't think there's much value in getting your entire identity from Hot Topic's catalog of clothing. Truth. And that's just a commodity sold as an identity? Well, but that also I'd say when I when you say that, I say the good part about that is it triggers people to not wanna be a part of it and create their own fashion.
And I think that's how black metal came about and other counterculture pieces, is they looked at culture and said, we wanna be counter to that. How can we be totally different than this? You know? And still, like black metal, there's no way you can can look at that and not say that it the influence of KISS or Alice Cooper are not in that makeup. Though, those young men that started black metal may have never thought about, ever thought about KISS when they put that makeup on.
Like I say, influence is forever, but it's always forgotten. And so, you know, any anyway, that stuff trickles down, whatever I'm saying. I'm I'm starting to how long we've been talking? Fifty eight minutes. Fifty eight minutes?
Yep. Just fifty eight minutes. Oh my god. I'm getting old. I'm getting fucking old.
Ugh. It feels like two hours. Yeah. It feels like two hours to me too. Not because the conversation what no.
Our conversation is good. It's flying by, but my mind is, like, I can't put I'm starting to slow up. Alright. I'll get to the point with Dana Plato then finally. What apples did she like?
I'm joking. Oh, that would be a great question to have asked her. At the Witches Sabbath, we're gonna do a seance and ask her. I I I'll I'll bring a bunch of apples, like a little sample platter. Love it.
Whichever whichever slice levitates is the one. You're phony. Anyway, so you were taught you were saying once about how you thought that her grandmother had a lot to do with it, and that she was basically being used to sell their stuff when realistically she just wanted to be a mother, if I'm getting that correctly. Dana Plato just wanted to be a mother. Yes.
Yeah. And instead was it go ahead. Go ahead. And instead of being able to do that, she was pumped full of I forget what drug it was and Or handful. You know, kind of and used to just, you know, just be exploited in every way.
Yeah. Yeah. And Dana was a people pleaser. You know, that was her downfall. You know, that was one of her flaws.
Or I wouldn't say flaws, but something that was taken advantage of. And Dana was another one of these special people that was unlike most people. The way she thought, how she thought, what she saw, and I there's this this maybe it doesn't have reference here. But people are are parasitic in a lot, you know, or they're they're like they leech on to things like that because they're not special. Or they, you know, in the hippie way, they could be special if they found their meaning in life, whatever, but they're not.
They're easy to to move into the easiest they they take the past path of least resistance. They take the easy way. They go and take the counting classes. They go to Harvard and learn how to be a lawyer, and they're they take the easy route. They don't go and I like, I'm gonna be an ice skater.
I always wanted to be an ice skater. No. I'm gonna be a lawyer. And Dana took the hard route. She went and did what what she was doing as an actress.
She wanted she was really into what she was doing, and she was really into being an actress and wanting to express herself in front of people. And and just so that's how I see it in a lot of ways. It's the same with, like, what killed Jim Morrison. Those leeches who who who who wouldn't stop suckling his his his weirdness or his his special How he was really special outside of most of everyone else. Or Janis Joplin, these old hippies that I watched, you know, or I grew up, they were dead and they became they were legends.
And you look into their history, like these are people I looked into their history, go, oh, wow. They died of drug, you know, what happened there? That's usually always the same. They had a bunch of people leaching onto him that fucking killed him. The same with Marilyn Manson.
That that guy's a real special guy, and he has all these people leaching onto him. And it turns you into a drug addict, turns you into a monster, turns you into a fucking it it gets it it's it's it's disgusting. I think in the future, people will look back and see fame and stuff like that in a different way. They'll see how how awful it was for people to be put out like that. And, you know, not fame is different than accomplishment, being appreciated for accomplishment or being awarded or, you know, getting a prize because you did something great.
Fame is something different, and it becomes it's like a cancerous thing. It it it grows like a cancer, and it grows in a really gross way, in a way you can't tell. And it's it's people's you know, it's like they they start interpreting you in weird ways and and, leeching onto your energy because because not only do you have this special energy, but you start to attract energy. You start to get energy from everyone else that is reading your stuff or talking about you. The more people that talk about you, the more power you have.
The more power you have, the more leeches you have. The more parasites are attracted to you. So it's not, you know, it's and it's how do what happens to that? You know, what what what did Marilyn Manson do? He had he numbed himself, got all drugged up, and now he seems to have a wife or partner that protects him, that watches out for those things.
And that's that's a really important thing to have as a a friend that can help you stay balanced. But that that just makes me that just makes me think that Ye is probably the most powerful artist on the planet. Oh, yeah. He's I I think so. I think, Ye is is is one of the greatest artists of our time.
I think he doesn't a lot of he's really provocative, and a lot of stuff he's saying is hard to argue, you know, especially, like, with Jewish people in the music industry and stuff like that. I mean, I I have a video. I don't know if you ever seen it. Do Jews run the media? And I talked to my Jewish my old Jewish lawyer, JB Ross, and he would talk to me all I would ask him that about that stuff all the time, and he would talk about the history of it and say, yeah.
We you know, this is this. This is that. But he was also a person who was Yay would love him because Jay worked his whole life to get poor people and and especially black people their money. So he would sue people like Led Zeppelin. He was like he would call Led Zeppelin up going, you're riff you're ripping off these riffs.
These are your influence is coming from these people, and their family deserves some money. So give it to me or I'm gonna sue you. And they would give it to him. And I watch people like famous blues artist families, famous screaming Jay Hawkins, just famous blues families, like, the the grandchildren will come in, BB King, and collect checks from Jay. And and they were just all happy and talking about their grandkids, how this gonna put their grandkids through college.
So Jay was changing entire generations, future generations of dead blues artists, black people, black artists, changing their whole trajectory, and those artists never saw that. They never saw the influence of the great they never understood that because they died broke. Same as Crowley died broke. Same as LaVey died broke, And that's, you know, I I I love how that's never brought up when people talk about LaVey because they all wanna be supremists. They wanna be financial supremacists.
LaVey wasn't. Yeah. Remind me where the satanic witch came from. Where? What happened?
What I what I miss? Well well, no. It's like, you know, you know, late That whole thing of Luna Lavey was, you know, for that whole. I mean, fry cook the fry cook thing. Oh, right.
Okay. I didn't know when you talk would exist. I don't think as it does if LaVey was not that. Oh, absolutely. Because he was taught None of it.
None of it was. What was that? None of it would exist if he was that. Right. He he was a fry cook and he's talking to, like, who's who's gonna go in to get a a fried egg and and bacon at four and five and six in the morning, but maybe a street walker, a working girl?
Especially in the Levee's time, you know, women were not working. They were not part of the workforce. They were housewives. So a lot of younger people should have to put things into perspective based on the time period that things happened, not based on today. You know, LeVay would not be what LeVay created then, he would not have created today.
He would have created something different but similar. But, yeah, you're absolutely right. He was a fry cook. He but he was idle you know, that's the culture. Of he's a Chicagoan too.
And and Chicagoans are eye to eye culture. You can't look down on anyone here, and you definitely can't look up to people here. You look eye to eye. It doesn't because you first you don't know if the person across from you in dirty clothes is a millionaire here. For some re they don't dress up, or they don't they might.
And poor people might be dressing up. So you just don't know who you're dealing with. You don't trust what you're seeing. You trust you look them in the eye, and you trust how they treat you. Boom.
If they shake your hand, they're they're being decent, you're gonna be decent. No. You you talk down to someone or you look down on someone, they're gonna punch you. They're gonna say, oh, well, Chicago's home of the boundary. So it's more like, they're gonna say, don't do that.
And if you do it, continue to do it, there's probably there's definitely gonna be consequences, absolutely %, and they're probably physical. But they could be something else, but but you definitely gonna get consequences. And so, anyway, I don't know where I'm going with that. Getting old is fun. You just sort of forget what's going on.
Yeah. Pretty much. Is that what I just did? No. I mean, I I mean, it's also at a point where I'm kind of just losing my mind too.
I love it. But, yeah, you're right about that. I just wondered when you said satanic, which I was like, wait. Was there something specific I missed? Because you know a lot.
You know? I know a bit. Yeah. You do. You're smart.
That's a good thing. Are we wrapping this up, Claudia? What was that? Yeah. I I said, yeah.
I know just a bit. Yeah. You do. You that's good. Yeah.
Did we get everything about I I think so. Did we get everything about Dana? Yes. I I think I think I got what was needed. Excellent.
That's very good. What else? What else? What else? What else is I'm gonna stop the recording.
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