Wednesday, April 23, 2025

cool conversation from Satanism Central

 

  1. Altricial birth: Human infants are born underdeveloped (altricial) due to constraints imposed by bipedalism and large brain size. This requires extended postnatal development.
    I am thinking artificial wombs could allow humans to be born later, when their bodies have already matured, and I guess others had the same idea when they thought about growing humans in tubes from eggs to adults, which is optimal birth, and this means that children are a weird consequence of the physical limitations of reproduction, they shouldn't be running around screaming and shitting everywhere, but that is what you get when you take humans out of the oven too early.
  2. We need bigger ovens...

  3. Then you just get a full sized human who still doesnt know shit
  4. Then they run around screaming taking adult sized shits everywhere
  5. Basically apes
  6. Seems like it could be dangerous tbh, its way easier to teach someone manners when theyre the size of your leg

  7. Artificial womb could be engineered to be more than just bigger, but also better.
  8. Remember how in the matrix kids grow in the matrix?
  9. Artificial womb could be engineered to be more than just bigger, but also better.

    since such a person would be grown without human contact, I’m guessing the chance of becoming a psychopath would go way up

  10. I guess
  11. Im supposing whether its gonna happen in our lifetimes, probly not. Im supposing the likelihood of some terrible human ethics violation happening in pursuit of perfecting the goal
  12. Very likely
  13. since such a person would be grown without human contact, I’m guessing the chance of becoming a psychopath would go way up

    Babies go 9 months without human contact (sorta) and they are fine, and besides, human contact broke me, I would have rather been grown in a virtual reality, where humans are not allowed to touch me while I develop.
  14. Babies go 9 months without human contact (sorta) and they are fine, and besides, human contact broke me, I would have rather been grown in a virtual reality, where humans are not allowed to touch me while I develop.

    they have close contact and affection from mother in those 9 months
  15. Im supposing whether its gonna happen in our lifetimes, probly not. Im supposing the likelihood of some terrible human ethics violation happening in pursuit of perfecting the goal

    artificial wombs will happen, birthing adults probably won’t
  16. Babies go 9 months without human contact (sorta) and they are fine, and besides, human contact broke me, I would have rather been grown in a virtual reality, where humans are not allowed to touch me while I develop.

    growing up isolated can be very bad for your social skills and emotional stability
  17. we humans rely a lot on bonds with other humans

  18. I rely mostly on my bond with death.
  19. We are not the same.
  20. Babies go 9 months without human contact (sorta) and they are fine, and besides, human contact broke me, I would have rather been grown in a virtual reality, where humans are not allowed to touch me while I develop.

    The mechanisms by which someone suffers from lack of human contact may not yet even exist until the later stages anyhow

  21. What happens is people just get Used to solitary, doesnt mean were made for it
  22. Resistance to long-term effects may vary
  23. Babies go 9 months without human contact (sorta) and they are fine, and besides, human contact broke me, I would have rather been grown in a virtual reality, where humans are not allowed to touch me while I develop.

    This
  24. There would be no pedophilia ever
  25. And humans being raised this way dont have to be without some form of mental development
  26. They could undergo their own simulations to determine which kind of human theyd want to be
  27. I could also see some form of induced delay of sexual development until it is known what they want to be, which would require some genetic alteration while in sleep mode
  28. > Altricial birth: Human infants are born underdeveloped (altricial) due to constraints imposed by bipedalism and large brain size. This requires extended postnatal development. I am thinking artificial wombs could allow humans to be born later, when their bodies have already matured, and I guess others had the same idea when they thought about growing humans in tubes from eggs to adults, which is optimal birth, and this means that children are a weird consequence of the physical limitations of reproduction, they shouldn't be running around screaming and shitting everywhere, but that is what you get when you take humans out of the oven too early.

    I think it would be more Bene Tleilax than Matrix
  29. Real wombs used
  30. Babies go 9 months without human contact (sorta) and they are fine, and besides, human contact broke me, I would have rather been grown in a virtual reality, where humans are not allowed to touch me while I develop.

    no
  31. no
  32. there was a whole study about this
  33. infants that go without any sort of real human contact or conditioning often end up developmentally stunted or something else
  34. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s–1990s_Romanian_orphans_phenomenon
    1980s–1990s Romanian orphans phenomenon
    Orphanhood in Romania became prevalent as a consequence of the Socialist Republic of Romania's natalist policy under Nicolae Ceaușescu. Its effectiveness led to an increase in birth rates at the expense of adequate family planning and reproductive rights. Its consequences were most felt with the collapse of the regime's social safety net during...

  35. Failure to thrive
  36. There would be no pedophilia ever

    or it would be easier

  37. Killer of infants

  38. cause the kids are trapped in a fake reality in their heads

  39. Depends on whos overseeing the precious bank
  40. And itd be pretty obvious that a womb was invaded

  41. well as we know such institutions of oversight that involve children tend to attract interesting characters

  42. Itd be difficult to get to and youd cause premature awakening

  43. so unless we somehow figure out how to Minority Report shit

  44. And since we can simulate life, youd be in for quite the hell sim
  45. well as we know such institutions of oversight that involve children tend to attract interesting characters

    Ai?
  46. Ai?

    if AI can do that then it's unlikely
  47. but currently we still have the ability to just pull plugs
  48. but alsp
  49. also
  50. what are the effects on the human that being raised as such would give
  51. because
  52. while it could be beneficial

  53. If human involvement is necessary, then selection begins at the least likely to commit such a crime, like a female for instance

  54. there could also be detriments

  55. A female with a background in effective nurturing
  56. Long standing
  57. what are the effects on the human that being raised as such would give

    We dont know
  58. Yet

  59. should at least do some sort of trial
  60. like the Divergent series
  61. sorta thing

  62. But im proof that parental involvement can be worse than negligent
  63. there could also be detriments

    There are upsides and downsides to everything, if you think something shouldn't be done because there could be downsides, you are just saying that you want nothing to change because you don't want to bother making adjustments to dull the downsides that will arise.

  64. Not a decent likelihood of stability but, miraculously functional
  65. There are upsides and downsides to everything, if you think something shouldn't be done because there could be downsides, you are just saying that you want nothing to change because you don't want to bother making adjustments to dull the downsides that will arise.

    where am i saying that?
  66. im pointing out other nuances to the idea
  67. im not giving any objective personal opinion
  68. There are upsides and downsides to everything, if you think something shouldn't be done because there could be downsides, you are just saying that you want nothing to change because you don't want to bother making adjustments to dull the downsides that will arise.

    Correct... not many consider what the price is for things... the things ppl want, they dont care about the price... i say, we should consider 1st, what we are willn to not pay
  69. im pointing out other nuances to the idea

    Ok, I am aware there are risks, and anything new that humanity tries carries a lot of risk, until the points of failure are understood.

  70. The current societal benefits go largely to overprivileged elites and it causes a great imbalance of quality of life for the demands
  71. Poverty, working class, these systems enable certain crimes to flourish in order to maintain that working class is kept from succeeding

  72. i mean i wrote this whole thing with my musings on this topic lol
  73. https://claudiaberdellascorner.blogspot.com/2024/02/ai.html
    AI
    AI-tocracy By Claudia Berdella Inspired by Anton LaVey , Shane Bugbee , Bill M , and Vincent Blok Often is the idea of an AI takeover vie...

  74. Working class nurtures both wealth and poverty
  75. Wealth takes whatever it wants from tax write offs
  76. And poverty gets just as much, but spread too thinly across the masses
  77. i mean i wrote this whole thing with my musings on this topic lol

    I believe in ai guidance, not having the final say
  78. The final say would go to those with the highest credibilities
  79. An ai guided meritocracy
  80. You wouldnt have a say in an industry you were not involved in
  81. This prevents idiocracy
  82. But if a decision involves your intustry, you can vote
  83. And the best representstives of that industry would be elected by you
  84. There will be several industries
  85. Ai will give guidance towards optimization
  86. But it is up to your meritocracy to decide what is best for humanity
  87. This would all be based off of a resource based economy
  88. When many things are automated

  89. Humans get to survive within a simulation of a plentiful reality in their own minds and experience decent lives
    The matrix was keeping humans in a reality that is neither too good or too bad, which is similar to keeping them like farm animals, the horror aspect of this theoretical future is that we become like the animals we farm, and then there will be different grades of humans, grown in different matrix environments, "grass fed" matrix-grown humans, and the petroleum matrix-grown humans.

  90. Purposed organisms
  91. There should be a series of simulations according to stages of development that would determine the best affinities
  92. But there may be cases where there is too much identity complexity
  93. Niche filln is indefinitely indecisive
  94. > Humans get to survive within a simulation of a plentiful reality in their own minds and experience decent lives The matrix was keeping humans in a reality that is neither too good or too bad, which is similar to keeping them like farm animals, the horror aspect of this theoretical future is that we become like the animals we farm, and then there will be different grades of humans, grown in different matrix environments, "grass fed" matrix-grown humans, and the petroleum matrix-grown humans.

    in one perspective yea
  95. but then again Cipher
  96. ignorance is bliss

  97. But it would mean they are most versatile and probably better suited for multifield industries
  98. Meaning they would have the capacity for better decision making than most
  99. ignorance is bliss

    That is at the individualistic level, there may been individuals who are ok with being cattle as long as they don't know about it, like Cipher, but the Matrix experienced several "The Ones", and each one was born out of the accumulation of subconscious dissatisfaction from the entire human species.

  100. which is funny
  101. because as i pointed out in what i wrote
  102. The matrix portrays the human species kept alive inside of its golden era in order to keep the machines alive, one doesn’t exist without the other in this scenario. But what is so terrible about this? Humans get to survive within a simulation of a plentiful reality in their own minds and experience decent lives as opposed to the scorched earth THEY created to try fighting the machines which they ALSO CREATED. Consider the character of Cipher who, after escaping the Matrix, wants back in to escape the downtrodden reality of what HUMANS turned the real world into— humans made the machines and an uninhabitable surface,
  103. ignorance is bliss

    Those who want to remain asleep indefinitely may accumulate into vast numbers, which could translate to excessive demands to maintain nurturing, but that just means that simulations may need to be improved or if they happen to pass an optimal awakening window, they may unfortunately have to be repurposed for providing energy and nutrients to the rest of the nest

  104. The matrix is a prison humanity sewed for itself then whined about

  105. In which case, they would live the rest of their days in enjoyment
  106. The matrix is a prison humanity sewed for itself then whined about

    I don't really think so.

  107. who made the machines
  108. who made it all possible

  109. Its not a prison, its an eden

  110. who has the responsibility for creating a technological species superior to their own

  111. Kindergarten
  112. Its not a prison, its an eden

    what difference there is between the two is little
  113. eden was an open-air prison
  114. with one rule
  115. what difference there is between the two is little

    You dont give the cosmos to the whims of a toddler
  116. who has the responsibility for creating a technological species superior to their own

    This shitty world that pushes humans to adapt to survive it using new tools.
  117. This shitty world that pushes humans to adapt to survive it using new tools.

    No the humans trying to adapt made the tools
  118. humans made it
  119. the world is just spinning as it always has
  120. This shitty world that pushes humans to adapt to survive it using new tools.

    Shitty societally enforced dynamics... certain ppls, not all humans, but most of them

  121. humans created a lot of their own conditions at this point
  122. so again
  123. this whole idea of a matrix

  124. It is too afraid to eliminate its own runaway guns

  125. is basically a way of trying to escape reaping what you sew
  126. it's cowardly on some level but what's new

  127. There is a complex network of corruption that binds the ignorant majority to complacency
  128. There is a complex network of corruption that binds the ignorant majority to complacency

    on one level yes but doesn't the consumer also have some responsibility in this

  129. So despite knowing they outnumber the sources of corruption, they will not act

  130. those majority consumers

  131. Yes
  132. They cooperatively enable

  133. you don't have a drug dealer without addicts that come back
  134. who's the real enabler

  135. True
  136. They have value that regulates the system, although invasively
  137. So they are allowed to exist

  138. https://youtu.be/tTBWfkE7BXU?si=I0dO17fYvcyX_IFL
  139. is basically a way of trying to escape reaping what you sew

    That perspective is too shallow, and from the way I see it, humanity is destined to become enslaved by something greater, to become the building blocks of something else.

  140. Belief systems and control measures accelerate human progress until the growth curve intersects with self destructive costs that exceed its effectiveness
  141. That perspective is too shallow, and from the way I see it, humanity is destined to become enslaved by something greater, to become the building blocks of something else.

    I don't see any set destiny just self-fulfilling prophecy we project into reality

  142. Think of how difficult it would be to convince ppl to come together to build the greatness of civilization without motivators like the fear of hell

  143. when we think we have a set destiny is where we either fuck up the most or somehow succeed
  144. based on historical and instinctual tendencies i'll go with we'll do the former

  145. Ppl are kept stupid for control
  146. But this will overwhelm the system at some point

  147. and i don't think it's shallow for the last millenia humans have been making up ways to escape responsibility for their actions
  148. devil-made-me-do-it
  149. the promise of afterlifes

  150. The system will undergo a self destructive reset

  151. We light a candle on an earth we made into hell/ And we pretend that we're in heaven/ Each time we do we get the blind man's ticket/ And we know that nothing is true
  152. I don't see any set destiny just self-fulfilling prophecy we project into reality

    No, it's the current trajectory of the universe, complex entities are created from less complex components, and the humans who think of themselves as the most complex entities can themselves become mere components.

  153. humans have always been components
  154. to the earth
  155. however, whether we are destined to do stuff
  156. that's our own egos
  157. either we naturally evolve or technologically
  158. clearly natural takes too long for our tastes

  159. I don't think we are components to the earth, but we are components to society and civilization.

  160. and i wouldn't say it's the trajectory of the universe as that's your own prescription to it
  161. clearly natural takes too long for our tastes

    Full cyclical civilization ierations take about 25920 years everytime

  162. but it's a goal held and it's not an entirely terrible idea but like with everything there's more to it than an idea of destiny and all that

  163. Your matrix isnt digital machines, btw

  164. no it's not

  165. Its the stars you look up at

  166. or it's a woman's womb
  167. programming your initial defaults

  168. Or radical consciousness that learned how to exist extradimensionally

  169. or ___
  170. fill in the blank with whathaveyou

    1. Such things happen as an adaptation when you try to keep devils in hell for too long

    2. By destiny I mean that higher species that will control humanity are basically inevitable if humanity chooses to keep developing, if AI doesn't rule over us, then the elites will fuse with AI and rule over us, or engineer their DNA to become Nephilim and rule over us, not through "politics", but by becoming irreversibly above us in a fundamental way, the way we are above ants, or even the way we are above our own cells.

    3. You empower the devil through a great forge
    4. Because you overlooked the value of suffering
    5. By destiny I mean that higher species that will control humanity are basically inevitable if humanity chooses to keep developing, if AI doesn't rule over us, then the elites will fuse with AI and rule over us, or engineer their DNA to become Nephilim and rule over us, not through "politics", but by becoming irreversibly above us in a fundamental way, the way we are above ants, or even the way we are above our own cells.

      well the testing will be done to lower class dupes
    6. so on some level maybe we could have some bastard children nephilim
    7. but at that point it's basically The Boys
    8. literally The Boys

    9. Lab rats don't usually leave the lab alive.

    10. No they don't
    11. but rats are what they are
    12. and usually at least one rat gets to fester by some means, in terms of actual rats as they're rats

    13. Rats with unforeseen zombie infection

    14. rats that shoot lasers
    16. the rat^
    17. well actually
    18. technically

    19. Rats that telekinetically liquify your brain and puppet you

    20. maybe tinfoil hats are a good idea
    21. tbh
    22. at this point

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