Claudia: It's recording.
Shane: Or do you want me to talk?
Claudia: Yeah, that was an interesting take on it.
Shane: What was?
Claudia: That it's basically what you've been saying.
Shane: Oh, it definitely felt like that. It felt like, "Wow, this is what I've been saying." Like how LaVey was a mama's boy—there's a lot of that kind of stuff going on in Satanism. At least, let's put it this way, that may be where the Satanic Temple shines. They have politically active, politically correct gals in the group. Maybe that's where the men—I bet you, like the Church of Satan, the women are very predatory. I'm going to bet, if I understood the Satanic Temple crowd enough, the men are the predatory ones. I'm going to bet you that's how it is.
And that's an interesting thought. I don't really hang out with Satanic Temple people. In fact, I don't hang out with anyone younger than the Church of Satan crowd anymore; I did that for a few years in my life. It was just because LaVey touched me. I talk about it a lot, or people ask me about it a lot. LaVey understood that, though.
I thought about him watching it and I felt like I could see LaVey in here laughing too. I started laughing at parts that no one else was laughing at. Some of it was obviously funny, and I laughed at those parts too, but I continued to laugh because it was just like a documentary of my life, and everyone's life I know that's into Satanism.
Just think about any of the heavy hitters in Satanism you know—anyone you're thinking about, anyone that knew Anton LaVey. Know this: they are having the same kind of life. They are with a very predatory woman who won them over with her sexual prowess, and they are under control. They are under that person's thumb. They cannot do anything without that person's permission; that's just the way it is.
But I grew up in Chicago—my nationality is a Chicagoan—but some of my family is Italian, so I got to see inside that culture. Italian tough guys are not really tough guys; it's their wife. They go in the house, and their wife is a predatory woman. It's just like that movie, where she'll get on him: "That guy is calling you, he's treating you like a bitch, you got to go fuck him up!" That's the woman inside the house. Then the guy comes out full of rage and kills someone because he was called a mama's boy or called names by his partner. It's like, holy shit.
But I thought it might be recent too because of some of the raps, like "marriage is bondage," which I've said. If this movie's only 10 years old, I'm not the first person to say that, but I definitely am the first in Satanism. There are not too many people in Satanism that admit to flaws and weaknesses—they're the alien elite, after all.
Claudia: Whatever that means.
Shane: Yeah, I'm the alien, I'm the fucking spaceship. I don't know what I'm saying, I'm like Kanye. I just thought it sounded cool.
Claudia: I thought it had a good visual aesthetic. I thought that was cool.
Shane: Oh, I loved it because it was campy and horrible. But I will tell you, whoever wrote that knows what they're talking about. This is what I'm saying. Wherever they read this stuff, it felt like we were in a time machine back in the day of LaVey. I would have loved to have seen this with Carla, because Carla has all these big ideas about doing shit with the Satanic Witch stuff. But that's the problem with the world: everyone's got big fucking ideas, and no one can make them happen. And the people who can make them happen are funded and killed. I know, I'm one of them. Yeah, so what else about that movie? Are we going to smoke that joint?
Claudia: Sure.
Shane: What the fuck, I thought we were going to smoke on the way in there, but I didn't need any, did I?
Claudia: No, I thought we were...
Shane: We were late, we were at the wrong movie theater. It was like retro—and don't tell me retrograde doesn't happen, because all these weird things happen. I'm never late to a movie, and if I am, it's probably because of a retrograde if I look at the calendar. It's a people watch. We're in Logan Square at the Logan Theater.
Claudia: I guess the first half hour wasn't that important.
Shane: Well, I figured it wasn't, based on the name of the movie: The Love Witch. I thought it sounded like a porn. And you know what? I thought about the old days of porn and how it was filmed with that beautiful aesthetic and those kinds of actors. They would act just like that. Old porn wasn't hard or what people would call misogynistic; the old days of porn were really campy and cool like that. So I say bring that back, or it should have had porn in it. I mean, porn is a little crude, but you can do things like finger-fucking to make it more graphic. I would have been more graphic.
Claudia: You already did that though.
Shane: What?
Claudia: You already did that though.
Shane: That's true, I'm Satan. I loved the movie. I went into it thinking, "Oh my God, what if this thing triggers me because of my life?" I'm not getting involved with any more witches, because I go to a therapist and a psychiatrist who tell me better. They talk me down. Just them teaching me boundaries and stuff like that has helped out a lot. Now I catch it and I'm like, "Oh Jesus Christ, another fucking witch." Witches.
Claudia: Well, it's better than that other one.
Shane: Which one is the other one?
Claudia: That four-hour castration movie.
Shane: Oh, the one you came out laughing so hard from. I don't know what I would tell you now that I'm smoking this weed, Jesus Christ, but I will tell you there's a flaw in that movie. They would say black witches are like the love witch. Satanists are pretty diverse, so I see that thread in there, but there's also a very upper-scale, healthy side. They've had generations of education and healthcare, they know what mental healthcare is, they go to counselors, and they deal with life a little differently than some of the more radical Satanists.
There are plenty of people who consider their mind the most important thing, not their genitalia. We are not only a carnal animal beast, but we're an intellectual breed. That turns people on. I'll tell you this, here's what I thought: oh boy, I've dated plenty of sad girls. That's what a witch is in the context of this movie—it's a sad girl. It makes me sad that someone would find power in their genitalia, because that's a very limited part of someone. It's very fun, and I get how manipulated you can be using it, but...
Claudia: I think the detective guy kind of spoke to that end, too, because he mentioned borderline personality disorder, or almost being on that spectrum. And that's really on the head, because I've noticed that's pretty rampant within Satanist groups, at least online.
Shane: You mean amongst women or amongst Satanists in general?
Claudia: In general.
Shane: Okay, so there's one person that's more aggressive. Weird, okay, got you. Yeah, thanks, I would agree. And I don't think that's a bad thing. I think when people don't treat their problems, that is the bad thing, especially when they have access to healthcare. I get it, I've had plenty of problems. I didn't want to be there, thinking, "Oh, this is a fucking Satanist movie, I don't need to be here." The last place I want to be is a Satanist movie, because people will know me there. So I looked and said, "Let's go."
Claudia: Yeah. I wonder who made it, if they were Satanic.
Shane: You were absolutely...
Claudia: ...correct to guess that it was The Love Witch. It was.
Shane: It was worth it.
Shane Bugbee: https://linktr.ee/Shanebugbee
The Founding of The Satanic Temple Their Secrets Revealed: https://a.co/d/082yNWCL or https://archive.org/details/satanic_temple_founding_bugbee
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